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∂28-FEB-75 1447 ESS,JMC
That is jmc.bio[cur,jmc].
CC: paw
∂28-FEB-75 0521 ESS,JMC
Yes, I can come to your committee meeting, but remind me.
CC: ajt
∂28-FEB-75 0517 ESS,JMC
I will be unable to come to the image understanding meeting next week, but
I would like Tom Binford and Lynn Quam to go instead. I have long been
committed to a Sigma Xi lecture that conflicts, and I am going to be on
sabbatical in Japan during the Spring quarter. I hope that is ok.
John Mc
xx
John McCarthy
CC: carlstrom%ISI
∂28-FEB-75 0511 ESS,JMC
The class is in 111 Polya.
CC: dcl
∂27-FEB-75 0010 ESS,JMC
You forgot you had agreed to lecture in my class Tuesday. How about lecturing
March 11 and 13 when I have to be away?
CC: dcl
∂25-FEB-75 0231 ESS,JMC
I am still unhappy about the insufficient computer science content of
the NEWS75[CUR,JMC] proposal. However, we are in a big hurry, so please
look again at the section entitled COMPUTER SCIENCE RESEARCH and make
suggestions for improvement.
CC: jh;me
∂25-FEB-75 0138 ESS,JMC
Please order for me "Design of Man-Computer Dialogues" by Martin,Prentice-Hall.
CC: PAW
∂24-FEB-75 1357 ESS,JMC
Joe Goguin for ai diinner.
CC: paw
∂24-FEB-75 1316 ESS,JMC
Ron Kaplan makes reservation for AI dinner.
CC: paw
∂24-FEB-75 0411 ESS,JMC
An additional issue: Your comments on our proposal said that if we want outside
TENEX time, we should expect to pay for it out of our budget. Cordell wants
a lot of it until the KL-10 is available and our system allows INTERLISP which
he likes. At present, he is cadging night time mostly from SRI, I think.
At present many ARPA TENEX sites are hardly used at night. Should we try to
make our own deal or will ARPA help us determine what the price will be. I
don't now know how much I would be willing to budget, but I know I won't buy
him a day shift PDP-10. Is there someone else in IPT to talk to about this?
CC: licklider%ISI
∂24-FEB-75 0343 ESS,JMC
How do you think the following would work? A mode of output in which the
user program gives the system a character at a time, but the system can delay
putting it on the user's screen until either a buffer is full or the user
gives a display-it-now uuo. The idea is that the user doesn't have to keep
a buffer, and πhe system has to keep one anyway. This would be good for
generated rather than constant output from LISP and other programs.
Consider it both in the context of the present system and a new one.
CC: reg
∂23-FEB-75 0004 ESS,JMC
Fixed.
CC: JFR
∂22-FEB-75 2316 ESS,JMC
CALL KAI WANG!!!!!
CC: WD
∂22-FEB-75 1951 ESS,JMC
Patte came in and made the first batch of changes. I have started to
think about changes and have decided to have separate sections on
computer science research and behavioral research. news75.mod[cur,jmc]
is a start on the computer science research section.
CC: me
∂22-FEB-75 1723 ESS,JMC
The proposal is news75.pro[cur,jmc].
CC: me
∂21-FEB-75 1820 ESS,JMC
It looks like I have to go to Houston on Tuesday and be gone Wednesday,
so I will have to reschedule.
CC: bpm
∂21-FEB-75 1818 ESS,JMC
Well, I thought it was supposed to be last week, but anyway I didn't do
anything, and I guess I had better come back to the Lab and work after
dinner, so let me postpone it.
CC: boyer%SRI-AI
∂20-FEB-75 1855 ESS,JMC
Your comments on our proposal are much appreciated and are giving us
furiously to think. I will have a message with a preliminary plan
for meeting your requirements shortly and we will have a new draft
in a couple weeks. One substantive remark only because it may affect
the second part of your remarks (if your energy persists). While
the KL-10 constitutes a major re-equipment, the cost to ARPA in the
budget for this is rather small. We believe that our plan is the
most economical form of re-equipment.
CC: licklider%ISI
∂20-FEB-75 1812 ESS,JMC
brooks
CC: Newell%CMU-10A
∂20-FEB-75 1742 ESS,JMC
moran
farley
newell-control structures
newell-stimulus encoding
psnlst
In general, examples of productions.
CC: newell%CMU-10A
∂20-FEB-75 1633 ESS,JMC
Send Floyd copy of Licklider comments that is on your desk.
CC: paw
∂18-FEB-75 2253 ESS,JMC
Please move meeting tomorrow because of Newell lecture at 3:30.
CC: les
∂16-FEB-75 2355 ESS,JMC
There is an error in VERIFY.TXT[EXP,TJW]; namely 9th line from bottom page 1 should be
IF ↑CLOCK∧(S0∨S1) THEN Q[I] ← etc..
As you have it, the register would be cleared when both S0 and S1 were low. I am
doubtful whether your Algol sufficiently describes the circuit to permit the
verification of larger circuits of which it is a part. In particular, it doesn't
express the timing relationships that have to hold in order to get well defined
results, e.g. the fact that S0 and S1 can change only when CLOCK is high. I also
have a somewhat vaguer worry that it doesn't say when the Algol statement is
executed. Apparently the clear can occur at any time and the other part only
when the clock rises, and while this is hinted at by your Algol, I am not sure
it permits the incorporation of this program into a larger Algol pr;gram
without ambiguity. Nevertheless, I agree with the approach.
CC: TJW
∂16-FEB-75 1658 ESS,JMC
I wonder if the program that receives the news could do an occasional garbage
detection, and when it detects garbage complain to TED and TAG.
CC: me
∂16-FEB-75 0325 ESS,JMC
I have read your note on blobs. Your notion of what can be done in predicate
calculus is too limited. Your argument is correct if the functions in the program
are taken as functions in the logic and if we don't use axiom schemata. Then,
as I remarked in class in connection with Manna's method (after you gave
me the note), a program can be shown to terminate only if it terminates in
a number of steps independent of the parameters. Your argument is a similar
application of Henkin's theorem. However, if we admit a suitable axiom schema,
such things can be proved. In your case the axiom schema would be
(∀x.¬p(x)⊃Q(x))∧(∀x.p(x)∧Q(x)⊃Q(f(x))) ⊃ ∀x.Q(x). In your trivial case, assuming
the axiom schema is very close to assuming what fs to be proved, but
it can also prove lots of other things about functions defined by the
same basic recursion scheme involving p and f. Note: what I just said isn't
quite right, because you want to allow for the fact that the recursion
doesn't always terminate, in which case you need another predicate that
will suitably relativize the formulas to the cases in which they do
terminate.
However, as we shall see, one can do much better than that by making
the functions defined recursively individuals in the logic rather than
functions. It is conceptually simplest to regard them as subsets of a
product space, i.e. to represent them by their graphs, but this may not
be most convenient practically. If we do this, we can get by entirely with
axioms and need know schemas even though this is again not necessarily the
most convenient way to do it. (The most convenient set theory is the
Zermelo-Frankel which has an axiom schema, but the Godel-Bernays set theory
which has no schemata is just as powerful as is shown in Cohen's book.)
Many of these matters will be treated in class, but I will be glad
to tell you about them separately if you like. Your proof is not incorrect;
it merely shows the need for stronger formalisms than you imagined, and
there is still a red herring involving non-standard models.
CC: rae
∂16-FEB-75 0038 ESS,JMC
No, but Monday would be nice.
CC: nxl
∂16-FEB-75 0035 ESS,JMC
What is present state of "r imsss"?
CC: jbr
∂16-FEB-75 0032 ESS,JMC
I have been too busy to extract any work from you on the LISP course notes. You
could help me by making up one complete copy of everything we have gotten out
so far including exams and exercises.
CC: nxl
∂16-FEB-75 0028 ESS,JMC
I have read your chapter 7, and it seems to me that you must keep your mind
in two completely separated compartments. There is absolutely no suggestion
in the chapter that you have ever heard of computers or information processing
models - just old-fashioned philosophy.
I have marked up the copy you gave me and will go over it with you. I am
shocked!!
CC: ajt
∂15-FEB-75 2053 ESS,JMC
I have several comments:
1. As I already mentioned, conditional expressions are ok.
2. More than half your existential quantifiers go away if you
use the function LOC(P,B) for the location of piece P on board B, and
your formulas simplify considerably. In general, wherever there is a
unique Y satisfying P(X,Y), it is better to use a function. Allowing
functions and equality is a common form of first order logic - not
strictly predicate calculus - and FOL allows them.
3. You should rewrite your patterns with this extension, but,
as I said before, not everything will be doable with patterns. In
particular, it doesn't seem to me that functions like occupiability
are computed solely by pattern recognition. It is a large part of your
problem to determine what role patterns ought to play.
CC: DEW
∂14-FEB-75 1910 ESS,JMC
ACCEPT JAPANESE INVITATION.
CC: :TASK.
∂14-FEB-75 1653 ESS,JMC
Meeting with Tymshare 12:30 Tues,Tokaj Rest.,Menlo Park, RSVP.
CC: FXB;CCG;TW
∂13-FEB-75 0123 ESS,JMC
Thanks for FLAT proof. I have started on first version and welcome second.
We'll talk.
CC: DBX
∂12-FEB-75 1620 ESS,JMC
For Ed Frank:
Please telephone me 321-7580 in evening or 497-4430 afternoon.
We can use a lot of help with further publicity of home terminal club.
CC: nbs%ISIA
∂12-FEB-75 1451 ESS,JMC
Tymshare tentatively 12:45pm Tuesday.
CC: :CALEND.
∂12-FEB-75 1448 ESS,JMC
lunch at Tymshare 12:45pm Tuesday.
CC: :CALEND.TENTAT
∂12-FEB-75 1446 ESS,JMC
baz
CC: :FOO.;jmc
∂12-FEB-75 1444 ESS,JMC
foo
CC: :FOO.;jmc
∂12-FEB-75 1432 ESS,JMC
Tentatively lunch at Tymshare 12:45pm Tuesday.
CC: :CALEND;fxb;ccg;tw
∂11-FEB-75 1604 ESS,JMC
Lucie Adam
Story development editor, Fortune
Time Life building
Rockefeller Center
New York 10020
4pm Tuesday 25th,(212)556-3708
Please send her a copy of the home terminal paper and
put the meetin in CALEND.
CC: paw
∂11-FEB-75 1022 ESS,JMC
I received a fragment of a message from you. Please retransmit it.
CC: nbs%ISIA
∂11-FEB-75 1020 ESS,JMC
Would you be willing to talk in my MTC class about the Hoare axioms and
related matters?
CC: dcl
∂11-FEB-75 0337 ESS,JMC
Please make faculty club reservation for me for 12:30 today.
CC: paw
∂11-FEB-75 0009 ESS,JMC
It involves looking a gift horse in the mouth.
CC: fxb
∂08-FEB-75 1535 ESS,JMC
Schroeppel & Co. welcome.
CC: SGK
∂07-FEB-75 1317 ESS,JMC
SEE BURCHF.TMP[ESS,JMC]
CC: PAW
∂05-FEB-75 0537 ESS,JMC AT TTY15 0537
What is the current state of interest in NS? You can reply by
SEND JMC <carriage return> followed by the message followed by <ctrl z>.
CC: JI
∂05-FEB-75 0106 ESS,JMC
Find out whom I have to inform and how that Morales and Bulnes passed
the MTC qual.
CC: paw
∂03-FEB-75 1351 ESS,JMC
Catch me sometime, and I'll tell you what I know.
CC: ajt
∂03-FEB-75 0023 ESS,JMC
Please decorate reynol.le3.
CC: paw
∂02-FEB-75 2215 ESS,JMC
I expect to be in Monday afternoon, but may go to energy seminar at 4:15.
Before that would be best.
CC: pmk
∂02-FEB-75 2215 ESS,JMC
I expect to be in Monday afternoon but may go to energy seminar
CC: pmk